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Questions about 5×10 He’s Our You

I received some questions from long-time reader Fazel from Amsterdam, who recently finished watching Episode 5×10 He’s Our You.

I was watching ep 5×10 (Sayid-centric) last week and I think I noticed some screw-ups in the script. But I want to run it by you, the Lost expert, first.

Sayid reacts to kid-Ben when he first introduced himself and then later on tells someone (Sawyer?) that he had met a kid-Ben in 1974(?). Now, tell me this… How the hell could he know that? Let alone even believe such a thing (he hadn’t seen the same evidence as the other Losties, thus his convincing was poor). The guy was separated from the other Losties, he was never on their journey of information and discovery. In fact, did he even participate in the meet of Hawkins? Didn’t he leave before they all went inside to meet her?

Had anyone even briefed him about time traveling and 1974? The first thing that seemed to have happened to him when crashed (he was there on his own and not on the plan of returning, thus makes him poorly informed) was being captured by Jin and Radzinsky. Their hadn’t been an opportunity to bring him up to speed up to that point, but yet he seemed very updated and convinced of these revelations (despite seeing little proof of it).

What do you say? =)

I was looking on YouTube for a clip of the scene where Jin saw Sayid in the jungle — and I saw that Disney recently pulled most of the clips for that episode off of YouTube! Boo! I hope that doesn’t leave too many holes in the archives of this blog and all the other LOST blogs, because we’ve all relied heavily in the past on embedding those clips.

Anyway there are just a few little clip-lets left. Here is where Jin sees Sayid in the jungle (this is from 5×09 Namaste):

The clip ends right at the point where Jin and Sayid recognize each other, so it doesn’t show how long they were alone together before Radzinsky shows up. As I remember it, though, they didn’t have very much time.

Even if there wasn’t enough time for Jin to say anything to Sayid, I think Sayid would figure it out. He must have thought that Jin had died in the freighter explosion. Yet there was Jin, alive, and wearing a Dharma jumpsuit!

In this next clip-let, Sawyer, Jin, and Radzinsky are bringing Sayid back to Dharmaville. Sayid sees Kate, Jack, and Hurley, who he last saw on Flight 316 — and they too are wearing Dharma jumpsuits! So he must just put two and two together to figure out that he is in the past. And as soon as Little Ben says his name, a lightbulb must have gone off in Sayid’s head.

Yet another inquiry. In the same ep as above, Sayid tells Dharma: “I know about, the hatch, swan, ‘the incident…’” etc. Now, I know that the season finale is named that and is about that, but I wondered where he got that information from. All the things he said, we the viewer had seen them too with Sayid. But the incident? When was this brought to Sayid’s attention?

I appreciate if you enlightened me without spoiling the finale

That’s another great scene whose clip I had linked to earlier that is now gone from YouTube (grumble grumble). Only this little clip-let remains:

I think that when Sayid said “the incident,” he was not seeing the future, not seeing “the incident” that will be shown in the Finale. I would guess he meant either (1) The “purge” that wiped out the Dharma Initiative (did the Losties learn about this from Ben??) or (2) What happened when Desmond turned the key at the end of Season 2.

I envy you not having seen the Finale yet, because you have a big treat to look forward to!

Come on baby, light my fire

Fire in Jacob's room in the first scene of The Incident

Fire in Jacob's room in the first scene of The Incident

We see fire in The Incident almost immediately, just a few seconds after the episode begins. This is the fire in the open pit in the center of Jacob’s room, and the camera lingers on it, then turns back to Jacob — and then fire is back in the shot, behind Jacob, and then the fire is again in the foreground, and then it fills the frame.

Cut to Jacob wading waist-deep into the ocean. We’ve gone abruptly from fire to water, which together make up two of the four classical elements — earth, air, fire, and water — of ancient philosophy.

Aristotle assumed all substances to be compounds of four elements: earth, water, air and fire, and each of these to be a combination of two of four opposites, hot and cold, and wet and dry.

Jacob walks back to land with his fish. And there’s a fire. We didn’t even see him making it. When the camera catches a glimpse of it, it was already there.

Almost at the very end of The Incident, we return to where we began — to Jacob’s room, with its central fire, the fire this time augmented with torches ringing the walls. At the end of this scene, after Ben stabs Jacob, NotLocke pushes Jacob’s body into the fire, and then fire fills the frame.

What does the fire mean?

If the four classical elements have anything to do with this story, could the Island be the earth element, and Flight 815 represent the air?

Does the Smoke Monster tie into this in any way? Where there is smoke, there is fire …

Jacob and Esau (the opening of ‘The Incident’)

The first several minutes of the Season 5 Finale, The Incident, were amazing. So many exciting things happened in such a short time — we saw Jacob for the very first time, we saw the Black Rock sailing off in the distance, we heard some puzzling dialogue, and we finally got a glimpse of all of the four-toed statue — all in the first three-and-a-half minutes.

Now, looking back, we can see that those short minutes were tightly packed with clues, hints, symbols, partial answers, and new questions.

I’m going to go back and look more closely at the opening sequence. I want to break it down and look at different aspects in different posts. So it will take longer than just today. But there’s no hurry, right? We have all the time in the world — eight long months (sigh).

Here’s the opening:

Jacob is weaving a tapestry in a room, with a fireplace in the center, that we now know is in the base of the statue. He goes out to the beach, cooks a fish (now we’ve seen fire inside and fire outside), and spots a ship which is too small, at this point, to see clearly.

He is joined by another man. They greet each other. “Morning.” “Morning.” They seem friendly, casual, polite, and evidently quite used to each other, as if this greeting were a part of their daily routines, like co-workers who greet each other every morning when they arrive at the office.

More small talk follows, and now we can see the ship, which has come closer. It’s an old-style sailing ship, most likely the Black Rock, and this is the first definite clue we’ve had that we are now centuries in the past.

And yet, something doesn’t seem right about the time period. There is something about the two men that seems like they belong in the 21st century, not hundreds of years in the past. Maybe it’s their hair styles and the way that they speak. That greeting they just exchanged — “Morning” — seems so casual and contemporary.

Now the dialogue, previously so full of comfortable small talk, gets weird:

Black shirt: How did they find the Island?
White shirt: You have to ask them when they get here.
Black shirt: I don’t have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you?
White shirt: You are wrong.
Black shirt: Am I? They come. Fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
White shirt: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.

To paraphrase Bill Clinton, maybe the meaning of this depends on what “it” is. It always ends the same. It only ends once. What is it? Outsiders coming to the Island? What is the progress — what are they moving from and what are they moving to?

Now the dialogue gets even weirder … which means it is very weird indeed:

Black shirt (in a casual tone, as if he were talking about what he wants to have for lunch): Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?
White shirt (as if he were saying that he does want anchovies on their pizza): Yes
Black shirt (as if saying the pizza place might be crowded): One of these days, sooner or later, I’m going to find a loophole, my friend.
White shirt: (as if asking Black shirt to save him a seat): Well when you do, I’ll be right here.

Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?

Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?

Yes.

Yes.

And then before we can make any sense of that:

Black shirt: Always nice talking to you, Jacob.

Boing!

Then the camera pans up the statue.

Boing! Boing! Boing!

The pacing of this scene is very interesting. It starts off slowly with the scenes of Jacob weaving and with leisurely shots of him preparing the fish. Then there is that one-two punch at the end, which comes so quickly after the mysterious dialogue that there is no time to even begin to process the dialogue on first viewing.

Black Shirt, who appears only in this opening scene, is never named. While he says, “Always nice talking to you, Jacob,” Jacob simply replies, “Nice talking to you too.”

Around the internet, people have dubbed Black Shirt “Esau,” a clever reference to the Biblical story of the twin brothers. From here on, I will do the same.

So who or what are Jacob and Esau? What kind of beings are they who act so friendly and polite to each other, yet seem to take it for granted that one wants to kill the other?

Is it possible to come up with any theories, or will we just have to wait until Season 6 for more clues?

What did you think of the Season 5 Finale?



Major OMG moments in the Season 5 Finale

Things that made me say OMG when they happened:

OMG, I was right about the statue — it’s Taweret!

OMG, Jacob met Little Kate!

OMG, Jacob had something to do with Nadia’s death!

OMG, Sayid got shot in the stomach!

OMG Jacob is reading a book by Flannery O’Connor! (This is kind of a personal OMG, because Flannery O’Connor used to be one of my favorite writers, and a model when I was writing short stories)

OMG, Sun and Jin’s wedding vows were so sweet! (No OMG for Jacob being there and speaking Korean, because by this time, that was almost expected.)

OMG, I think Miles may have nailed it — the bomb will cause, not prevent, the “incident.”

OMG, the bomb didn’t go off.

OMG, Juliet fell down the hole! Noooooo!

OMG, Richard knows the answer to Ilana’s riddle.

OMG, Locke is in the box!

OMG, Michael Emerson is such a good actor! (“What about me?”)

OMG, Juliet is still alive!

OMG, the screen turns white.

OMG, How am I going to wait eight months for the next episode? OMG, OMG, OMG.

Lost: A Journey in Time — clip/recap show

I liked this recap show better than the previous one (“The Story of the Oceanic 6”). It’s faster paced, it’s narrated by Michael Emerson, it has commentary by Damon and Carlton, and it actually answers a couple of questions — why Ben killed Locke, and why four of the Losties on Aljira 316 ended up in 1977.

Now, the Finale is about to begin. Wheee …..

Damon and Carlton rehash and prehash — and explain, sort of, the compass

"Locke's compass is in an infinite mobius loop" -- Damon and Carlton

"Locke's compass is in an infinite mobius loop" -- Damon and Carlton

The May 11, 2009 official audio podcast, a good one that I recommend listening to in its entirety if you have time, is Damon and Carlton’s last for Season 5. Michael Emerson, though, will be doing the podcast next week to rehash the Finale.

On the podcast, Damon and Carlton rehash Follow the Leader, talking about how Locke emerged as a strong and compelling guy in tune with the Island, much to the consternation of Ben and Richard Alpert, and how Jack had finally found his mission, after weeks of mopping floors and erasing chalkboards, although he hasn’t been able to attract many followers.

As for the finale, they say we will get a substantial piece of information, and that by the end of the premiere of Season 6, we will have enough information to be able to come up with some theories about how it will all end.

In response to a question about the compass — the one that Locke gave to Alpert and Alpert gave to Locke — they say that what they have done with the compass was intentional in terms of the broader themes of the show. The compass is a puzzle that really has no solution. It is purposefully perplexing — it has no origin! It is in an infinite Mobius loop.

They say they believe there is a large portion of mystery and magic in the world, and it is not their intention to demystify the world of LOST by overexplaining things.

Damon and Carlton’s next talk will be at Comic-Con — their final appearance there.

Photo of Mobius strip by David Benbennick, via Wikipedia, GNU FDL

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